Mark Buehrle=turd

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Originally Posted by Biggin

I cannot believe so many of you actually belive a PETs life is the equivalent of a human.

I dunno whether to laugh or cry. Some dogs are mean and bite and even kill people, does that mean all dogs are bad?? ( I have a great argument for this, attack this at your own risk)

Pretty sad guys. Im not saying what Vick did is right, but a human life is way more important and special than an animal, no matter how you slice it. Your bond with the HUMAN RACE should outweigh any bond with an animal.

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That depends on the human. Dogs do bite and an animal is an animal. What makes the human much more lethal is the ability to calculate and manipulate and add that to the mix when regarding despicable acts. Killers,rapists,child-molesters,thugs are human. If you are expecting me to put their lives over the life of a loyal companion? Not going to happen. This is a subject that folks could debate and argue over forever,but what it boils down to is that some folks are geared one way and others another. The life of decent folk is precious,and there are many that I would gladly give my own for,but when we talk humans,we need to talk about them all,and sadly all you have to do is click on and peep the news to see how sick and twisted mankind has become (as I type this,some nut in NY is being booked for a killing spree). M:confused:y faith in mankind has diminished sadly. An animal often does harm in reaction while humans do harm to achieve a means like a new pair of shoes. Humans like Stalin,Saddam,Pol Pot,Hitler in one day killed more humans that animals have in the entire span of time.

Animals do what they're allowed and/or taught to do. People are the same way. But a person can choose to learn better. Most don't. Just like Vick chose to let those things happen. He could have chosen not to. That's what makes him a lesser human being. Not to mention the same God that created us created animals. And come to think of it didn't he create the animals first? He gave us dominion over them but that doesn't mean we can just do what we want to them. Pets and other animals have no way to voice their pain to us. They need somebody to represent their best interest. Did dogs ask to be domesticated? I'll bet not. And since man chose to domesticate them he should take more responsibility in caring for them. Not to mention that if Unchained has to save his dog or a person he truly loves and choose the person that dog will understand that choice and die loving him regardless. If a person were in that dog's place how many four letter words will he spew in his anger at Unchained? A lot in most cases. Sure, some people will understand that choice but the majority will still hold him in anger until their last breath. Animals rely on us and in return for all they do for us they only ask for love and attention. Very few people choose to act the same way. That's why I agree with Unchained that animals>people.

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Originally Posted by Unchained

That depends on the human. Dogs do bite and an animal is an animal. What makes the human much more lethal is the ability to calculate and manipulate and add that to the mix when regarding despicable acts. Killers,rapists,child-molesters,thugs are human. If you are expecting me to put their lives over the life of a loyal companion? Not going to happen. This is a subject that folks could debate and argue over forever,but what it boils down to is that some folks are geared one way and others another. The life of decent folk is precious,and there are many that I would gladly give my own for,but when we talk humans,we need to talk about them all,and sadly all you have to do is click on and peep the news to see how sick and twisted mankind has become (as I type this,some nut in NY is being booked for a killing spree). M:confused:y faith in mankind has diminished sadly. An animal often does harm in reaction while humans do harm to achieve a means like a new pair of shoes. Humans like Stalin,Saddam,Pol Pot,Hitler in one day killed more humans that animals have in the entire span of time.

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Bingo. I've come across a lot of human beings that are as low as any animal, just because you can walk upright, doesn't mean you mean **** to me over one of my five dogs. I mean I'm not saying I put vick on some scum of the earth level, but it's not like I care if he ever played another down. But no I put my pets over a lot of people that are pieces of ****, really don't feel that bad about it either.

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Originally Posted by Unchained

That depends on the human. Dogs do bite and an animal is an animal. What makes the human much more lethal is the ability to calculate and manipulate and add that to the mix when regarding despicable acts. Killers,rapists,child-molesters,thugs are human. If you are expecting me to put their lives over the life of a loyal companion? Not going to happen. This is a subject that folks could debate and argue over forever,but what it boils down to is that some folks are geared one way and others another. The life of decent folk is precious,and there are many that I would gladly give my own for,but when we talk humans,we need to talk about them all,and sadly all you have to do is click on and peep the news to see how sick and twisted mankind has become (as I type this,some nut in NY is being booked for a killing spree). M:confused:y faith in mankind has diminished sadly. An animal often does harm in reaction while humans do harm to achieve a means like a new pair of shoes. Humans like Stalin,Saddam,Pol Pot,Hitler in one day killed more humans that animals have in the entire span of time.

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But you guys say well, a dog is only bad when its taught that way, why arent you more supportive of Vick then? He was raised in that lifestyle, that culture, he truly didnt see anything wrong with fighting dogs. It was part of his culture.

Just because a few nutcases do terrible things, you guys really believe that makes it right to value the life of a dog over a human? How does that possibly make sense? Animals are killed all day every day, and both of you eat them. A dog's mental capacity is nowhere near as full as a human, of course it cant organize genocide or whatever.

You guys are using the dredges of society and comparing them to house pets. How is that a fair comparison whatsoever? OK, all dogs are rabid, mad pitbulls while every human is Mother Teresa. No one is expecting that a child molesters life is more vital than a dog, but wishing grave injury on Mike Vick for fighting dogs is a horrible thing to do, since its actually WORSE than what Vick did. Mike Vick didnt molest kids, he didnt murder anyone, etc... He isnt the worst human on the planet. So how does that make any sense? A person, like a dog, in a case like Vick is a huge reflection on the culture he was raised in. Vick hasnt fought dogs since, he hasnt abused animals since, why isnt it the same? Sure he is a human, with cognitive thought, etc.. but if you wanna claim dogs' lives are just as valuable as a human, then you have to admit that dogs have no cognitive thought and arent responsible for their actions, meaning they are LESSER MAMMALS THAN HUMANS! They lack a specific intellectual quotient, so a dogs life is not as valuable as a normal human being, or even a person like Vick, who made one tragic mistake and appears to be truly remorseful.

Ima ask you guys this; is your pet's life more valuable in the overall scheme of Earth as Mike Vick?

Do you agree that killing a dog is a less vile act than a human getting murdered?

Biggin, I respect you're opinion. But I value the turd in my toilet more than I do Vick. And killing a dog intentionally is murder. Here's a question for you. What is dog spelled backwards?

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Originally Posted by SBG

Biggin, I respect you're opinion. But I value the turd in my toilet more than I do Vick. And killing a dog intentionally is murder. Here's a question for you. What is dog spelled backwards?

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I knew this was coming. :D I trust dogs more than most strangers.

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Originally Posted by SBG

Biggin, I respect you're opinion. But I value the turd in my toilet more than I do Vick. And killing a dog intentionally is murder. Here's a question for you. What is dog spelled backwards?

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What does dog/god have to do with anything? I dont get it.
Dogs were domesticated in East Asia, a region that has no belief in the Christian God. Dogs, in that time, were used to MEAT, FUR, and work animals. If dogs were so symbolic, the people wouldnt have ate them.

No its not. Its animal cruelty at best. A guy that made a terrible mistake yet has done numerous great things since, talking to kids about how terrible his mistake was; trying to show kids that just because something is accepted in your neighborhood doesnt make it right; trying to do the right thing.

The guy made a horrible mistake. How long does he have to pay for it??
You guys forget, Vick spent time in PRISON for what he did, PRISON! How is that not enough to make up for what he did? HE WAS IN PRISON! Are dogs really that important, that even tho a person spent over a year in federal prison he should still be punished for killing a few dogs?

Another thing that bothers me; Donte Stallworth KILLED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. But nobody talks about him. Nobody wishes him injury or death. Nobody really seems to care. But every week, we get to hear someone saying how terrible a person Vick is. What gives?

This isnt towards you SBG, just in general. I know several people that trash Vick regularly and hate the man, wishes he would die. How ridiculous is that? How does it possibly make sense to hate a guy for killing dogs yet wish he, a HUMAN, would die?

What does dog/god have to do with anything? I dont get it.

Do you guys know what really irks me? That people care so much about dogs yet show no compassion towards other animals. The saddest thing is im probably the biggest animal supporter on here. I refuse to hunt, I have never killed an animal, hell if I catch a mouse, I let it go! I wont even kill it. But people treat dogs like kings then go out and shoot deer in the face or kill cats for fun.

Doesnt Vick basically have to go to talk to kids and such due to his parole or order by the NFL as part of his being allowed to play? I was thinking that was the case at least, but I may be mistaken.

As for Stallworth, what happened was a terrible tragedy, but I think the one reason his gets a break versus Vick was that his was an accident and Vicks actions were premeditated. Also, Stallworth handled the situation much better when it happened than Vick did. I am not saying that makes it any better, but it does tend to help in the court of public opinion.

Vick took like the life of numerous dogs in henious ways for many years, and profitted from it during that time, while Stallworth killed someone while drunk, and that person ran out in front of him quite a distance from a well lit crosswalk. Stallworth also stayed at the scene of the crime, and called police.

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Originally Posted by Biggin

What does dog/god have to do with anything? I dont get it.
Dogs were domesticated in East Asia, a region that has no belief in the Christian God. Dogs, in that time, were used to MEAT, FUR, and work animals. If dogs were so symbolic, the people wouldnt have ate them.

No its not. Its animal cruelty at best. A guy that made a terrible mistake yet has done numerous great things since, talking to kids about how terrible his mistake was; trying to show kids that just because something is accepted in your neighborhood doesnt make it right; trying to do the right thing.

The guy made a horrible mistake. How long does he have to pay for it??
You guys forget, Vick spent time in PRISON for what he did, PRISON! How is that not enough to make up for what he did? HE WAS IN PRISON! Are dogs really that important, that even tho a person spent over a year in federal prison he should still be punished for killing a few dogs?

Another thing that bothers me; Donte Stallworth KILLED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING. But nobody talks about him. Nobody wishes him injury or death. Nobody really seems to care. But every week, we get to hear someone saying how terrible a person Vick is. What gives?

This isnt towards you SBG, just in general. I know several people that trash Vick regularly and hate the man, wishes he would die. How ridiculous is that? How does it possibly make sense to hate a guy for killing dogs yet wish he, a HUMAN, would die?

What does dog/god have to do with anything? I dont get it.

Do you guys know what really irks me? That people care so much about dogs yet show no compassion towards other animals. The saddest thing is im probably the biggest animal supporter on here. I refuse to hunt, I have never killed an animal, hell if I catch a mouse, I let it go! I wont even kill it. But people treat dogs like kings then go out and shoot deer in the face or kill cats for fun.

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You'll never see this ol' boy shoot an animal-period. I belong to a Christian small animal rescue group called In His Hands Small Animal Rescue. If folks want to hunt,there's a place for that too but it isn't my thing. As for Vick,I agree with you about Stallworth. Vick served his dues so to speak and here's hoping the man has learned his lesson. Every man deserves a second chance and the opportunity to do the right things. God knows we all have some skeletons in our own closets,so we aren't fit to judge. It is absurd to wish a man hurt though.

How many on here eat meat? What's the difference in cows, chickens, cats, dogs? I am not for animal cruelty by NO means, but people step back and read what you are writing.

On a side note, I hit a dog the other day with my car. It was absolutely by accident and never seen the animal coming. Should I go turn myself in to the police, or have called the police as if it were a human. What about if it were a deer, cat, or some other animal?